George Bush, Skull and Bones, the CIA and Illicit Drug Operations

George Bush, Skull and Bones, the CIA and Illicit Drug Operations


today on alternative views we were very happy to have with us a meal deantonio the filmmaker who has made the film on McCarthyism point of order the film on the Kennedy assassination rushed to judgment the film on the Vietnam War in the year of the pig the film on Nixon the Millhouse and many other films tomorrow we’re going to interview the Antoniou on his films and plan to produce a series of programmes on his work as a filmmaker today however we want to discuss his political views in particular how he views George Bush in relationship to the other right-wing Republican political figures they spent much of the last past decades studying and criticizing how would you evaluate him well one Hickland I started a book of on Bush and we did a tremendous amount of research and III think that it has to be said at the outset that George Bush is not a wimp it would be easy for people on the left or progressives or Democrats or any number of combination of those to dismiss with Bush once and for all by saying he’s a wimp but he’s not and to misjudge the enemy is maybe worse than having no opinion at all because I don’t think that you become a naval pilot and get shot down and then fly more emissions in fact quite a few more emissions and I don’t think that you are as tough as he is I don’t think the reason that he is to me ultimately dangerous is the year 1957 when he took over the CIA 7575 I mean I just twisted the number after ah actually 76 yeah 76 s that’s the corrector isolate weekend why don’t you just start over the oh I’d rather have the mistakes with you that’s fine I mean I think the stakes are part of life I mean I leave a lot of hours in but some of them are so egregious we have alright anyway but go ahead this is fine I think that when Bush became a director of the CIA in 1976 he was charged with one thing which was to put that show back on the road to clean it up to make it tough again and he did that and in 1980 when he ran for president there were over 180 CIA former officers who wore Bush buttons and went all over the country wherever he ran wherever he was speaking and supported him into the New Hampshire primary when he finally did blow it but for some of these the people who the you know the worst Mad Dogs that the Carter Administration and Stansfield Turner had kicked out that’s who they were they were indeed the Mad Dogs that the CIA is composed pretty largely of one kind of Mad Dog or another I mean it isn’t exactly the Boy Scouts or the ladies village improvement society but I think that Bush has been underestimated throughout one thing is that he has what might even be called an upper class demeanor that softness that many upper class people affect is frequently misinterpreted as weakness well he came up through this upper-class network of social clubs and schools and also he he was a right in there with the rest of them in this regard I think that he separated himself from a part of his class by going to end over instead of st. Paul’s or st. Mark’s a gratin which are the more social schools and over is probably the best United States at that time prep school for men on for boys only now it’s co-educational but Andover was a school which emphasized mind and emphasized the ability to deal with books and mathematics etc and I don’t think Bush was a genius or anything I don’t think he was all that smart but he was smart enough to do reasonably well at and it’s a very hook it’s a very hard school it still is it’s still the hardest repair Ettore school in the United States to end it’s the hardest one to add her and more of its graduates go on to Harvard and Yale than almost and then it than any other prep school in the United States so it’s a class huh I’m sorry oh no it’s it is part of a of a class structure and a class education and something that leads you to have a a mild rather than a loud or aggressive voice and I think people come frequently construe an upper-class quiet moderate voice as weakness which of course it isn’t as I say you’re not a Navy pilot you don’t clean up the CIA and you don’t conduct the rough and just even dishonorable campaign that he conduct against a caucus without being somewhat of a tough guy so the bush is really a serious member of the upper class he wasn’t a Playboy he wasn’t for the list it was also the son of the senator senator Prescott who had an enormous influence on him and who who sort of preceded him along the political path but he later Halla can we talk a little bit about bush’s family their relation to his father you know that his grandfather too began his own company out in ohio and was successful so that prescott bush his father went to private schools went to yale and the most important thing that happened to Prescott Bush in Yale is the most important thing that happened to say also to Bill Buckley and to George Bush Prescott Bush became a member of skull and bones it’s impossible to understand what Skull and Bones is and what its thrust is unless you’ve really looked at it pretty hard it’s an extremely secret senior Society which means you were tapped literally attempt to join Stalin bones you were about ten members of the senior class are tapped at the beginning of the senior year some are official the editor of the Yale Daily News the captain of the football team and then some people who have exhibited leadership qualities toughness and it’s an extremely tight strange group in which an allegiance is sworn among each other that is far beyond his pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States it goes beyond family because your family is left behind in a sense you go forward with Skull and Bones it’s not an accident that when Bush was vice president he had a dinner in the White House for about 40 members of skull and bones skull and bones is his secret it’s like the original German student societies the initiations are harsh some people think the initiations are homosexual even as well as being harsh but every member of skull and bones helps another and it’s it’s a prime loyalty it’s a it’s a perfect upper class construct and it changes every person who goes through it now Bush’s father was in it now Bush’s father there are two kinds of secrecy I think in the United States that the average person knows nothing about one is the secrecy of a major private bank now a private bank isn’t like Chase Manhattan Bank it’s not like one of the big Texas banks which is owned by stockholders and shareholders a private bank is owned by no women by a small group of men the partners sometimes or as few as 15 or 20 and Prescott Bush was a member of Brown Brothers Harriman investment banks investment banks I was telling Doug earlier that one example of the power Brown Brothers back in 1905 the currency of Nicaragua the five centavo note had on a picture of a bearded gentleman who was none other than James Brown of Brown Brothers he wasn’t a Nicaraguan he was the man who loaned money to Nicaragua at usurious rates of interest and it’s a kind of loan that was guaranteed to break the back of any small third-world country that did not have an Indian industrial society and brown brothers did this they were international bankers each partner had a private sort of cubicle and it was a partnership in the purest sense of that word and that the profits at the end of the year were divided among the partners and the better the better of the those who were inferior to them were then given bonuses but the bulk of the money was split so Prescott Bush was extremely rich and he lived in a city of great richness Greenwich Connecticut and he trained his children in silence and this is important when you think of George Bush and he was a member of skull and bones as well so that when Bush became when Bush went to Yale and became a member of skull and bones he was well groomed and well trained and well rehearsed in all of that by the time he was at Yale his father was a senator and his father had an extraordinary interest in and function in intelligence affairs so you have something that’s rare in this country which is a long history in intelligence out of Maine a long history of intelligence but in intelligence and to me the gravest mistake this country is made in my long life it’s not because I’m against Bush although I am against Bush but the gravest mistake this country has made is to elect a former CIA chief President of the United States I think it’s wrong to have the head of the secret police of the foreign secret police President of the United States because he has an oath and a loyalty to the CIA and its many many criminal acts that transcends his sense of duty or his obligation to the country as a whole and the people as a whole well he yeah he will this has been indicated by his involvement with the CIA and all of the drug operations in relationship to the Central America and South America well certainly I mean Bush was involved in that as vice president and as president he’s denied it I don’t find out that particularly alarming I mean this is what one would expect you could not expect Bush to admit that he was involved in drugs you can’t expect Bush to admit that he was connected with the drugs in Panama when he’s just failed in a coup to have Noriega bumped off Noriega killed his predecessor by putting a bomb in his plane his predecessor was an interesting man graham greene the english writer went there and wrote a book called i think a visit to a dictator but but he was a benign dictator and he tried to help the people of his country Panama but Noriega had him had a boss I said put a bomb in his personal airplane and he blew up in midair and Noriega took over and it seems to me that if our country had been reasonable we would have had a certain reluctance to make a policy of accord with a man who had just murdered his predecessor Noriega as you know is a high living big spender who was in drugs from the beginning and all of our intelligence people knew it that he was regarded as a stable we have always looked for stable right-wing dictators in Central and South America that is our pond and we reaped what we sowed we ended up by getting Noriega well he was also a CIA asset that intelligence chief and he was on the payroll he was on a fiat payroll of the CIA he worked for the CIA and under Noriega something happened of great significance that tends to be omitted which is there are more banks now in Panama then there are at all as any single country its size in the world and that includes Liechtenstein and the banks all had to do with the drug business and Noriega has a piece of all of those things and that could not have happened without the knowledge of George Bush in 1976 when he was head of the CIA head of the CIA and as he met with he bought two or three times well I mean he denies ever having met well again so let’s give him the benefit of the doubt which I don’t really but let’s just for the sake of it though he admits there’s on record he’s on record he met twice but he denied it anyway but what you have that’s just as important is Bush meeting with him is his chief deputy when he was head of the CIA was the men and Admiral Daniel Murphy number two person in the CIA who met with Noriega frequently an admiral in 1982 when rippln Bush was vice president he was appointed a head of the South Florida Drug Task Force his deputy there was again Admiral Daniel Murphy Murphy made many trips to Noriega and that was the time which you had the real burgeoning of banks I mean Panama had no reason to have many banks the people were poor people there was a small upper class and the Americans who were there had their own banks and their own compound so that suddenly banks became very popular because all tons and tons of drug money were being emptied into Panama and we’re not talking about just mom-and-pop banks we’re talking about now we’re talking about very big the big New York walleston The Wall Street in New York banks of course are the banks that finally serviced all this money the money would go into a Panamanian bank and then it would be wired to New York and then it would go somewhere else we saw this in our own country in Miami Miami was never particularly noted for banks until the drugs system became fully operational and then you know there are all those stories which are true of people going into a bank in Miami with a with a bushel basket or a paper sack three feet high full of hundred dollar bills and say deposit this and the bank would charge them immediately two percent for counting it and two percent of a hundred thousand dollars is two thousand dollars for an hour’s work and then instead of paying interest they would charge them to hold the money so that every you know the whole great thing about the drug business is that everybody made out except the poor user of drugs but the banks made out the drug the big dealers made out the little dealers made out and the sucker on the street who used cocaine and all the rest of it he didn’t do too well it’s significant to note that the nation published an article on the political economy of cocaine and they indicated that before George Bush took over as drug czar when he was vice president for Reagan that the federal government was cracking down on these banks was stopping drug trade by regulating the banks and stopping the flow of drug money as soon as Bush became drug czar in 1982 they stopped this policy they went into interdiction they went into trying to capture boats off of Florida to patrol the border along Mexico and this just helped the big cocaine cartel that could smuggle in the drugs into this country and that had the wherewithal to do it and then had free banks oh there’s no doubt about that and and without that without the banks the drug event industry would have died because they really needed banks to accept and launder the money and large proper US banks did precisely that uh it it’s not an accident of course that all that money was then recycled in one form or another to go back and help the Contras well this is the other link here the reason the Reagan administration and Bush were so tolerant the big drug dealers and people like Noriega who were obviously involved in drug trafficking but we’re also helping them with an illegal supply operation to the Contras this seemed to be the obsession of the Reagan administration that Bush went along with completely we saw an article I forget which was a one in Playboy or some others series of articles where they said that in order to get Noriega to play ball with them nori and to keep from to give Noriega protection and immunity from being hassled and arrested perhaps or assassinated he had to agree to give a certain percentage two or three percent whatever off the top of his gross receipts to support the Contras and so that’s one of the reasons that Noriega said I’ve got Bush by the balls it’s I thought it was so funny all during this business of the failed coup in Panama where they said gosh why did enjoy Bush just go in there and get Noriega and bring him out and put him on trial you know this is terrible issue that’s a last thing George Bush wants to do is to put Noriega on trial but the mistake and push on the other hand is almost as bad as a trial in the sense that Noriega has a hold on this country and on this administration and it’s got to be deposited in a Swiss bank somewhere plus in his own mind and tongue and he has the capacity to blackmail a fair number of major US players including I would suspect the president of this country for sure Daniel Murphy and many others to me one of the most pathetic things most mother was pathetic events in our time a recent time with the Kerry hearings which was the most exciting and dramatic hearing I’ve seen on television since Watergate or since the army McCarthy hearings and it was relegated to a cable channel it was relegated to CNN c-span c-span and which is a very you know a channel most people do not watch and you can’t watch it unless you have cable and these hearings went on the the outcome is published in four before four though the outcome is published in four volumes which you can buy from the US Government Printing Office but you see these young Americans on camera to see a young Cuban on camera who’s saying well I was in my Learjet at takeoff Kerry said how much money to have waiting to do oh I don’t know five point four mil I was on my way down to Panama and the police arrested me and they took my money and I’ve been given 30 years and that’s why I’m talking hoping to get a smaller sentence then to see an American a young good-looking American guy maybe 24 25 say I started running a little boat of down to Central America and eight maybe into Colombia I’d get marijuana and I made you know thirty thousand dollars on one trip then I got a bigger boat I made five hundred thousand dollars and then I realized that marijuana really wasn’t the right drug to bring in anyway so I bought an airplane and I learned how to fly I used to fly into Colombia and I would bring in and these people were flying right into the u.s. one after the other these people were finally arrested but all of them had one two three years experienced one person who was arrested was a transplanted Cuban who worked out of the Barbados not Barbados the island right across Cuba Jamaica no anyway but anyway Harmon Porter Bahamas absolutely there’s a whole chapter on the Bahamas this is Mohammed was considered the great drug import center for the whole United States for the entire United States and one of these people said well you know I used motor boats small fast motor boats don’t from the Bahamas right into my hammock he said you know on a Sunday afternoon there are 50,000 boats out there the family down as nobody else has a boat so I have 10 boats filled with drugs so if one of my guys got busted what I could buy him out after a few months of paying well but nine would get through so now Bush and company are worried about the drug problem they were part of the drug problem right they were in the drug business the CIA was in the drug business the very heart of the CIA was to save drugs for money for guns and the guns was to support the Contras against the legitimate government of Nicaragua and this has been going on a long time there’s no greater disease in American life and the madness of Adi communism because Nicaragua was never a threat to the United States it was never communist and it was never truly communist if you think that Cuba is communist Cuba how could Cuba be a threat to the United States our radar is so good that if a plane took off and came close we blow it out of the sky but do they have the troops to invade us the answer’s no the United States is also not understood I think a fundamental question about most of these countries which is that they’re nationalists more than they are communists or Marxist they’re nationalists in that the United States Fidel Castro is the first person to rule Cuba in modern times modern history going back 300 years who was a Cuban first you have the Spanish and then you have the Americans and then you’re at Phaedo even if you hate Fidel and I don’t but even if you do you have to admit he’s the first Cuban and the same thing is true in Nicaragua we bought all those other people in Nicaragua one president after another we arm them we gave them great money personal wealth and Ortega is the first ruler of Nicaragua who is truly a Nicaraguan and not somebody in the pay of the United States and he’s not in the pay of the Soviet Union which can’t afford to pay anybody very much he’s a I would I would call her taiga a patriot patriot as I would call most of his enemies people who represented a bankrupt class which exploited the rest of the people I’m making too many speeches I’m you have some interesting topics to discuss what I thought we might do now is to go back and look into the roots of George Bush’s involvement in the Intelligence Committee community you made an interesting point that Bush’s father and Bush were members of Skull and Bones there was a secret society that was dedicated to secrecy secret bonds oath and the Bush’s training in his family trained him in secrecy was of primary value in the banking lists and the banking business is another secret organization that his father participated in at one time you had an idea that when Bush was involved in Texas oil business he might have had intelligence connections and involvement and indeed his beginning in the Texas oil business after he returned home from World War two had some connections with skullenbones do you want to elaborate on his young connections I’d like to go back one step Bush’s father was an officer in the First World War the 1914 to 1918 war and part of his training took place at Fort Sill Indiana Fort Sill Oklahoma where two of his closest skull and bone front friends went with him as a young young officers one of them a key person in George Bush’s life was Neal Mallon by the way both Prescott Bush and Neal Mallon not only served in the field artillery but also in intelligence in World War one so you have a hereditary connection to intelligence when they came out Mallon went to Texas and with very little money he bought a piece of a semi bankrupt company that he formed became one of the big corporations in Texas the dresser industries oh yeah now when George Bush left George Bush having been a pilot and entered Yale then having been enlisted as a pilot at age 18 after having been shot down and then returning to Yale and taking his degree decided that he and his wife and young child would drive to Texas in their floppy old car and they did and they sought out Neal Mallon and Neal Mallon gave George Bush a job in dresser industries and Bush says in his campaign autobiography and now and also confirms it that the job was essentially the first job was sort of sweeping the place to learn something about the business and then going up and then Bush decided to become an oil player here in Texas and he with Malins helped he did and it’s no accident than what that when his next child was born the child was named Neal Mallon Bush now it is my unprovable conclusion because you can’t prove much about the activity of intelligence people the whole gambit is to keep it secret I think that Mallon who had been in intelligence in World War one carry on a kind of freelance intelligence after World War one and as he built up dresser industries into being quite an enormous corporation and I think and I may be alone in the whole United States I think that Bush acquired George Bush acquired sometime in the early 1950s through Neal Mallon a connection with the CIA the CIA is something about which we know nothing it was constructed that way it’s meant to be that way and it’s not very easy you cannot get anything from the Freedom of Information Act the FBI is bad enough I applied to both CIA and the FBI for any files they might have held on me the FBI at least gave me you know quite a few thousand pages but the CIA would give me many pages in which everything was blacked out but my name something I was quite familiar with so that uh you know there it was they the CIA never yielded anything and to this day it is never yielded anything under the Freedom of Information Act and to this day its primary concern is secrecy so you can’t ever prove I could be just a liar and make this up about bush and they would not deny it and I can even prove it maybe and they would not deny it they would have no comment because the CIA is not stupid it’s clever enough to know the denial constitutes a form of acceptance of agreement so they have no answer to give and if you were to write for the files of George Bush and the CIA in the 1950s they would respond with there is no answer but we did have something that in 1950s with the help of neo Marlon George Bush founded the Zapata Oil Corporation we know that that had corporate headquarters in Texas and was very active all around the Caribbean precisely the place that the CIA was interested in at that time we also know in 1963 after the Kennedy assassination a memo turned out from J Edgar Hoover the George Bush asking him about the results of his survey of the community the Cuban exile community and how they were responding to the to Kennedy assassination so there’s a piece some evidence at least circumstantial and actual that links Bush to the intelligence community during that period when he was RL man in Texas we also know that the CIA for many years has used various organizations corporations multinational corporations as either front or just as a source of information and cooperation so it’s not it’s not right it’s not a bureaucratic distinction but those corporations are regarded as assets whereas it’s my contention that Bush was an officer and in the CIA language there’s an enormous difference yeah I mean an asset could be any flag-waving businessman who you’re going to Germany you’re going to open a business there we’d be interested if you’d report along these lines you know and then there’d be certain specific things that we’re not but as an officer you would go in there with the capability to hire other people to perform acts even violent acts to suborn other people to bribe them to conduct the kind of policy that let’s face it that all intelligence groups whether they be the US or British or Soviet or Chinese or Cuban do this is what intelligence groups do they they hire people to commit acts of sabotage it was somebody Bush knew who put a bomb into a Cuban airplane and killed 53 people it was somebody who had who’s probably a vague asset of the CIA and Bush’s connections as you quite rightly pointed out with the Caribbean became a major point of interest for the United States he’s after all Cuba is over there the other side and as I say this all seems like something conjectural you can’t prove you can never prove that as far as a spy and who put him before a firing squad and he’s willing to speak it but even most spies of quality prefer to die rather than to say anything this is the history that the British established long before we had any spies let’s move towards George Bush’s after he into politics he was the son of Prescott Bush who is the senator of Connecticut was a who because a quite powerful senator his father also went to Yale as did Bush his father was also in skull and bones and the whiffenpoof society as was Bush his father also played first base for Yale as was big Bush his father had intelligence connections in World War one as we were suggesting Bush did so it was obviously a big influence of the father on the son George followed Prescott footsteps pretty closely moreover George decided to run for politics possibly as a CIA asset or operative moving into the political field what is your theories about these connections well he started running for office in Texas let’s to be as candid as we can from an oil district right and he failed all right he was elected after failing he was elected to Congress but then he would want it to be elected to the Senate and he was defeated by Yarborough who was a liberal Texan then down the road it looked as if Carrboro Yarborough’s reputation was turning sour among the people of Texas and Bush decided to run against him but then out of the blue appeared our friend who ran for the vice presidency with Dukakis against Lloyd Bentsen and who ran against Yarborough so that Bush having spent a fortune thinking he was going to be cure bro I mean Yarber would take the Democratic nomination and instead Benson of course beat Yarborough up in the Democratic primary with a vicious with a vicious red vicious red-baiting campaign and then you had the tightest race in the history of Texas which was Benson against bush and each one of them spending more money than anybody had ever spent to run for the Senate and Bush lost by now much win by a tiny tiny number of open I thought I was closest race ever held for the Senate in the state of Texas and Benson said Bush was too liberal and was ensign said that Bush was too liberal Bentsen was running as a true conservative at this point Nixon decided to help hold young Bush out I can’t say old boy Bush out and he appointed him ambassador the UN Ambassador for PA he gave him two appointments first ambassador to the United Nations and Bush wasn’t very comfortable with that he didn’t like being in New York among other things then he became ambassador to China and then he had the job that was really quite interesting he became chair of the Republican National Committee and he was in that job when watergate broke out and he there are two famous letters that George Bush wrote to Nixon one is no matter how this comes out I will back you to the end and the second one is it really grieves me to write such a letter but I would think you would do more of a service to your country under your party if you resign and flip-flopped on that and of course Nixon left and shortly after that Ford or a year and a half after that Ford appointed Bush then to become head of the CIA which is a curious appointment the CIA people wanted somebody strong must have had some experience with the CIA otherwise you would have to believe that the CIA which was really under tremendous problems because of postage etna activity there were there were investigations of the Phoenix program as you know the Phoenix program permitted one CIA person and one Vietnamese to say that you were a Vietcong and they could blow you away and have the right to kill you it was the right to kill people we admitted that we killed about 25,000 people in the Phoenix program the Vietnamese claim it was closer to 400,000 and nobody will know what the answer is and I suspect myself it was probably somewhere in between and I’m not a liberal but but Bush was then wellis Const into the heart of the National Republican Party and he obviously hide the presidency and in the beginning he was a favorite to beat Reagan in 1980 well it’s also significant that Bush was the candidate of the top peopled American power structure David Rockefeller and all of those groups been a tremendous number of CIA people mm-hmm and he had been in the trilateral commission and he had all these upper class connections and Reagan was just this rank outsider with a crazy man from the right and so that when Reagan won the establishment folks freaked out and then tried to come up with a special arrangement where they would have Kissinger really running the country and a Bush up there as the as the the head man really doing things behind the scene and Reagan balked at that so they finally come up with a compromise where Bush would be vice president and that turns out that the not so wimpy Bush as you said turned out to be the real heavy in the White House running all of these covert operations and keeping lying about that I mean Bush was a very heavy player and that alien administration what are some of the things that he was doing well there is nothing that took place in South in Central America that Bush was not involved in and Central America is really the primary emphasis in that period it’s not only the Contras it was added Cuban stuff it was a the art war supporting the government of El Salvador it is it was essentially South America and Bush had access to all the CIA people it was like the head of the CIA was suddenly planted in the White House he had Donald Gregg yet there’s nobody sort of wilder in the history of the CIA who was reporting to the white to the White House and Bush then a guy named Rodriguez Felix Rodriguez Felix Rodriguez as opposed to chichi and what Felix Rodriguez invented a new kind of way to kill people in Vietnam it took a lot of courage Rodriguez had a lot of guts and he did the most dangerous work you can think of and he did it well and it’s too bad that was probably the most immoral idea anybody ever had but it still took courage I mean life is a contradictory idea and it would be great if all the villains were cowards with a yard and Rodriguez was a hero in the wrong cause but what he would do is fly a very light airplane and he would find VC as they called it National Liberation Front positions and he would hang in long enough to call in the Bombers would then come in and bomb those positions and kill the people and he did the same thing in Central America and he went to the White House he was a friend of a close friend of Donald Gregg’s who was Bush’s closest friend the man who just this year was made ambassador to Korea with a lot of struggle and a lot of but of course the Democrat Elliott Abrams long line you told no no Greg skew Donald reg I mean yeah the Democrats in the Senate have never been known for courage because they should have they should have blocked that nomination ‘el boy I mean Greg was no more fit to be an ambassador than I am and I was a communist when I was 16 years old etc etc etc but so I’m rambling on I thought the key of that here is that it was alleged at least in a Rolling Stone magazine that George Bush was put in charge of this black eagle operation there was an illegal supply operation to the Contras to get them arms that would circumvent the scrutiny of the Congress and that he brought in at that time Donald Gregg Gregg run this Central America contra supply operation Greg and turn hired Felix Rodriguez his old buddy from Vietnam so you had a CIA military operation being run out of George Bush’s office when Eugene hasenfus his plane was shot down who is part of the supply operation in October of 1986 he had in his notebook Don Gregor elephants number Felix Rodriguez and the first person that was called when the Felix Rodriguez called when the plane was shot down was gone Gregg and I guess Sam Watson who is his assistant took the phone call Colonel Watson so that the Bush’s office was heavily involved in this illegal country supply operation that was the same drug operation is an operation we talked about earlier with Noriega that was running illegal drugs well it was the only way to get money to buy the arms that would support that would support our right-wing forces in Nicaragua I mean it put the white house itself in the drug business because they were the arms would go down but then the drugs are drawn back this is you know the same plane the most astounding single tail in the Kerry Commission is this one pilot who said now where do you want me he brought down the arms and he had a whole DC for a four-engine plane he said where do you want me to land and they said homestead Air Force Base well the idea of a pilot landing at Homestead in Florida which is an United States Army Air Force Base Arab Army Air Forces from mine that’s world war two drug war to us that’s a Air Force Air Force Base when he landed there was no prom he called the tower he was coming in and to me that almost the greatest cinematic thing there is is how I used to be a pilot and when you land there’s a truck there with a big sign that up that says follow me so there was the Jeep it was not a truck there was a jeep saying follow me and it took him into a hard stand and he parked his Plane full of drugs and left which would lead one to assume that somebody connected with the air force where else a private contractor came and empties unloaded what would probably be several tons of drugs enough to keep the streets of New York Boston Los Angeles and Houston going for a long time not to mention Wall Street South American Wall Street and in Beverly Hills and the movie industry and the rich and all the users of high-grade cocaine and the irony of this is at the same time Bush’s name drug czar of the Reagan administration well at the same time that is Central America operation is smuggling drugs into this country and unprecedented numbers he’s supposed to be in charge of the war on drugs at the Reagan administration or later Bush is exploited for political ends he was a true he was truly a drug czar father yeah well now the Oliver North operation was going on parallel palace but then George Bush would have to step in and cool things when Oliver North was having trouble with Donald Gregg and Felix Rodriguez well you know the right wing of our country always uses the word conspiracy about those who disagree with it but if there was ever a first-rate conspiracy of massive conspiracy in the history of our country it was in the White House and Reagan did not we now know that Reagan had some idea of what was going on but Reagan was not a hands-on president he thought he couldn’t even remember the names of his Secretary of State or high officials he saw that he wasn’t totally connected with this but he was made aware of it but there it was in the White House under George Bush and Donald Gregg and other senior officers of the State Department and the CIA and we work and now we know we are now talking about drugs in the streets and people dying and OD’ing that we have a drug culture beyond measure but you can’t say it began in the White House but it certainly was very big in the White House it was the White House that made it possible had the Reagan administration really said this is the end we’re going to close it down it could have been closed and I no longer think it can be closed down because there are just too many people involved I was in Los Angeles at the home of a person I cannot mention he’s a major player in the film industry and in his house he has eight or ten collector’s items of 18th century English silver and each one of them is filled with the most expensive cocaine you can buy and it’s there for the guests to take and snuff and this is standard now I mean not that is standard but the use of cocaine is standard among all classes of people in this country the poor die from it because they get inferior cocaine they get in some cases Co candidates being mixed with poison either intentionally or by mistake and the rich get very pure first-class cocaine I don’t think there’s even anybody among the young people in this room who doesn’t know somebody who hasn’t used cocaine and you can’t say that Bush is responsible for it I mean that’s too much you can only say that Bush shares a very profound responsibility and it’s time that he turned his back on that responsibility it may be too late to stop it but it’s not too late to make an effort it’s it’s absurd that now as president of the United States Bush declares another war the war on drugs because he was so responsible for having connections with so many players in the drug world when he was Reagan’s vice president of course it gives them a good opportunity to do away with a lot of civil liberties and do away hopefully with a lot of opposition I hope that explains what I said how would you evaluate the mass media coverage of all this that we’ve been talking about Howard Lee Howard Lee basically what do you think that is here enormous story far bigger than Watergate ever was and yet they hushed it up well I think I think the main reason for that is class interest frankly and they are the people who put bush in the media people they’re the people who supported bush and who supported Reagan and in a sense is to admit their own culpability in a in a reflexive secondary way but nonetheless a kind of culpability and is to admit error which the press and the media that the media no longer admit area I mean error TV has gone soft and the great gray papers like the New York Times and The Washington Post that they don’t deal with this The Times would have an occasional page tenth story about the Contras and drugs where they said the sources were merely convicted drug dealers as if the story really didn’t have all that much credence to it and they never connected Bush with all this well to me if I go back to the Kerry Commission Kerry Committee the Kerry committee report is as good a report on drugs as will be made by this government and it’s a first-class report and it covers everything it covers the Bohemians it covers a cell of Central America thinking it covers Colombia it covers Americans it covers all kinds of people who have flown back and forth it covers pilots and big-time distributors people who owned many many planes etc and nobody nobody picked up on this as I said it was broadcast on c-span it would appear as a small story in the New York Times and Washington Post but the basic thrust of what Kerry uncovered is still there it should be and it was published by the obviously by the Government Printing Office in a small printing and very few people brought it you can still pick up the phone now and order the four volumes and they are staggering you have enough there to bring down a government and and Kerry himself seems to have lost his courage and he’s a very brave man carry but he seems to have lost something I mean I know one of the reasons and you hate to say this in public so I won’t oh don’t you laugh I will I mean his wife and children left him I mean because he was having an affair with a major Hollywood star Michelle Pfeiffer and it took away some of his efficiency but Carrie was remarkable he was the most decorated naval officer in the in the Vietnam War and the first thing he did when he came back home was joined Vietnam Veterans Against the War and that’s a remarkable position I mean you know it takes courage to fight in a war but it takes more courage to come back and do that and then to have the skill to be elected to the Senate in the state of Massachusetts was an extraordinary achievement and to do the hearings was an extraordinary achievement and to let them drop makes you wonder you know is he being people see him as a new Jack Kennedy people see him as a presidential candidate see the media completely ignored him so he immediately needed to pursue this to the maximum he might have been bumping his head against the wall because he wasn’t getting any response the media completely covered this up well I want to know what was wrong with America it was that he was his show going on not c-span but the CN I mean c-span seen by the smallest possible audience that the other media ABC NBC CBS never picked up by they would have the slightest reference to it it was it was as big as the army McCarthy hearings is his biggest Watergate and when people say the war on drugs etc etcetera this is the greatest menace to the strikes at the very heart of this country I mean this is only two years ago why didn’t somebody just what even today why doesn’t George Bush if he believes in the war on drugs pick up the carry Commission report committee report and out to the American people why aren’t five million copies distributed that hame to cut the crunches off they’d have to close it or cut Daniel Murphy off and these are Bush’s pets Bush has been deeply involved in his controverts the greatest reading is the funniest reading there’s a 500-pound arms dealer in Miami Namie neonguy weighs 500 pounds he has a huge palace on the grounds of the Miami International Airport when Daniel Murphy wanted to borrow a plane to go to see nerrit Noriega he goes to see the arms dealer and the arms dealer says to him and in both of them testified of this in the Kerry Commission Murphy is it has no qualms about testifying the arms dealer says to him well last time I loaned you the plane this time I can lend it to you you’ve got to pay for the gas you know it’s a four engine plane so the gases for $5,000 so Murphy takes it down to Panama seized Noriega and he’s got a business guy with him and then they they fly back now could this have nothing of course Murphy was number two in the South Florida drug task force under George Bush this is 1982 how could he do that you know you’d think that some reporter somewhere would write an article about it nobody said anything the Panamanian said nothing we said nothing and the more we talk about a free press they’re free to advertise they’re free to sell but they don’t print like a free press they don’t publish like a free press and you could say to me well if you don’t like this country won’t you go somewhere else well this is my country and I love this country I may despise its government I may despise the CIA and the FBI but this is my country I would like somebody I wish somebody had said at that moment this is time to do something about the drug world starting with Daniel Murphy maybe with George Bush surely with the arms dealer and surely with the guy who flew the airplane and the Contras and the Contras and all the rest of them the CIA and all the rest of that wretched machine but no that becomes our real government

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