How Digital Addiction Affects Your Health and the Health of Your Kids | Podcast #50

How Digital Addiction Affects Your Health and the Health of Your Kids | Podcast #50

Jonathan H.: Welcome everyone to another episode
of Empowering You Organically. I’m your host, Jonathan Hunsaker joined by
my cohost TeriAnn Trevenen. TeriAnn : Hey everyone. Jonathan H.: So today we’re doing a very special
episode that impacts all of us more than I think we realize and we’re going to talk about
digital addiction and there’s a lot to really cover on this subject. It’s interesting because I think a lot of
us, we’re not consciously aware of how much we are on our phones, how much we’re on our
laptops, how much we’re working, how much we’re just sucked into this digital addiction
that crept into every part of our lives. TeriAnn : Yeah, no doubt. It’s interesting because when we think about
how we used to communicate, how we used to interact with people, how we got our messages
across, nothing was instant and now everything’s instant. So it’s a big conversation right now and to
how social media, phone usage, internet usage is impacting us across the world. I think more specifically in relation to kids
and teens as well. TeriAnn : Because now we’ve gone from adults
using their phone and the internet all the time to now, every kid has a phone, every
kid is on social media. It’s mind boggling how much we have this need
for instant connection, instant reaction, instant gratification. We’re seeing it trickle down into our kids
and the teenager just becoming a hot topic because we’re learning more and more the impact
of using our phones, being on the internet. It’s constant social connection, interaction,
and instant gratification on our health and on our lives. Jonathan H.: That’s exactly it. I mean it’s affecting our health in such a
big way and we’re not even realizing it. You bring up the conversation of kids and
what I think is interesting is we don’t address it with our kids as much because we’re addicted
to the screen as well. Right? So it’s hard to take the phone away. It’s hard to take the iPad away, when you’re
out at dinner, things like that. Jonathan H.: Because we’re addicted, we’re
picking up our phone, we’re checking Instagram and Facebook and so our kids are picking it
up and they’re learning it from us. It’s hard for us to discipline them and tell
them, “Hey, no screen time.” When we’re sitting there with broken necks,
looking down the whole time, texting and and checking out what’s going on online, like
we’re going to miss something. And all the other fast pacedness, if that’s
a word that happens with being connected to the internet now. TeriAnn : The dictionary according to Jonathan. Jonathan H.: The dictionary according to me. TeriAnn : Well, anyway. No, I agree. I think it’s interesting when you think about
the timeline of phones and cellphone usage, and internet usage, and computer usage. We literally have a computer in our hands
all the time now and we’re able to connect all the time. I often find myself thinking like,
“What did we do before the phone? What did we do before the computer?” TeriAnn : When we had to find out where to go. We had a map in our car and we looked at the
map and we followed the map and now I’m even guilty of this. I’m like, “If I don’t have GPS, I’m not going to find
that Kroger’s or I’m not going to find that Costco.” Because we don’t know how to even find our
way around anymore simply because we have this phone in our hands. TeriAnn : Or if we have an emergency, we used
to get on the landline, call the hospital, call 911. Now, we have a phone where we can like record
things that are happening in real time. When we see a car accident or we see someone
doing something crazy, we’re recording it. We’re calling 911, we’re on our phones. What did we do before phones? I think we’re starting to forget what we did
before phones because we have them all the time. TeriAnn : They’re on our bed stand when we
go to bed and we’re scrolling, scrolling, scrolling. They’re on our beds and when we wake up and
we’re scrolling, scrolling, scrolling. We’re talking to people, we’re texting, we’re on
social media, we’re looking at other people’s lives. We’re posting about our own lives. TeriAnn : It’s all these different things and
I think there’s a beautiful aspect to technology, and phones, and connection, and communication. I also think there’s a huge downfall to how
much we rely on technology now and how we always have to be instantly connected and instantly
gratified and things that we want and need. Jonathan H.: I mean, I think it’s drastically
affecting our stress levels, right? We know this. We know that everybody right now is inflamed
constantly, right? The inflammation levels. A lot of that comes from stress. A lot of that, we don’t know how to be patient
anymore, right? We don’t know how to wait. We don’t know how to entertain ourselves. Right? By just sitting, I mean, what happened to
just sitting and waiting for something, right? And staring off into space and letting your
mind wander. Jonathan H.: It was those times that actually
allowed us to decompress, right? You’re sitting in a waiting room, you’re sitting
at a restaurant, you’re sitting doing nothing but you’re actually doing something. Your mind is processing. It’s almost meditative, right? We’re processing things that are going on
in our lives. We’re processing problems that we’re facing. We’re figuring it all out and it’s allowing
us to really distress and decompressed. But now we’re on our phones and our computers
so much that any downtime that we have, we’re checking. TeriAnn : Yeah, stimulation. Jonathan H.: Exactly. We’re streaming, we’re watching the video,
we’re seeing what’s going on in Instagram. I don’t want to go down the social media rabbit
hole, but now we’re comparing our lives to everybody else’s filtered pictures and
happiness that they’re sharing. They’re not sharing all the sadness that’s
going on in their life. They’re just sharing the good stuff. Jonathan H.: So now, not only are we not decompressing, but now we’re watching social media and now we’re feeling bad about ourselves and our
lives because we’re comparing it to the best parts of other people’s lives. It’s really killing us. I mean, listen, I love having technology. I think technology has its place. I think that it’s really time for us to get
control of the use of technology and how often we use it. Jonathan H.: We need to set an example for
not just our kids, but for our friends and for anybody else that’s in our lives by being
the ones to put the phone down. TeriAnn : Sure. It’s interesting too, the other day I wrote
a post on social media of all places about being intentional with what we’re posting
on social media too. I think a lot of this boils down to intention,
whether it’s our phones, whether it’s social media. Not only are we on our phones all the time,
not only are we on the internet all the time, not only are we on something related
to technology all the time. TeriAnn : But we’ve lost our filters for humanity
and that thing that connects all of us and that thing that makes us people and makes
us unique and makes us think and act and do things in certain ways, consequences, and choices. I wrote this post about how we’re no longer
intentional with what we’re saying. We’ll just go out and behind our keyboards,
behind our screens, we’ll say whatever we want to say without a thought behind how it
impacts people. TeriAnn : Now, I’m not crossing the line of
saying you need to care about what every single person in the world thinks about you. There’s important things to be said and important
messages we can convey on social media. But it goes back to this word of intention for me. Are we intentional with our time? Are we intentional with our digital use, our
technology with the way we’re using it? TeriAnn : Are we intentional with what we say? Are we adding value to people’s lives and
communicating and sharing and posting? Or are we taking away from people by just
thoughtlessly and carelessly posting all the time responding, commenting, it’s like we
just don’t even have filters in human connection anymore. Jonathan H.: It’s sad really. I mean, and there’s several areas that we’re
missing that human connection. I mean, you talked about using your GPS. When’s the last time you stopped at a gas
station and asked for directions, right? Does anybody even have the guts to do that
anymore? Are they so used to being hidden behind their phone. They don’t want to go talk to a stranger. TeriAnn : We don’t have to talk to people
anymore who don’t want to. You can order your groceries online. Jonathan H.: You can now get fast food delivered
right to your house as if driving through the fast food line wasn’t quick enough. Now, you can get it delivered. TeriAnn : There’s a company called Crumbl
where you can get hot cookies delivered to your door and they literally drop them on
the doorstep. You don’t even have to look at the person
who made the cookies, who dropped the [inaudible 00:08:38]. It’s like instant cookie. It’s insane what we have access to. On one side it’s the most beautiful thing. On the other side, it’s creating a lot of
problems for us. TeriAnn : One interesting thing I want to
talk about, this is super fascinating to me. So I actually got a degree in psychology. I studied a lot about the DSM which is the
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. Excessive internet use has not been recognized
as a disorder. However, the related diagnosis of gaming disorder
has been included in the international classification of diseases. TeriAnn : So think about that for a minute. Gaming disorder. Gaming disorder. I mean, think about that. Did anyone ever think that was going to be
a thing? It’s not like we’re sitting here playing board
games and we’re addicted to a board game. We’re sitting staring at a screen, having
relationships with people who we can’t see, constantly stimulated, constantly playing. TeriAnn : Yeah. So it’s really interesting. One of the things when it comes to this gaming
disorder that isn’t included and that we have to talk about is this phenomenon of digital
addiction. It’s not just gaming any longer. We don’t just have people who are addicted
to games. I think for a while that was a thing before
phones were so prevalent, before phones were computers, one of the big turning points of
digital use of technology was gaming. TeriAnn : I mean, people started creating
these fantasy worlds. They were so stimulating. They were so beautiful. They were digitally designed. Now, it was you could go out into this world
that wasn’t the real world and buildings, have relationships, compete against people,
win prizes, all of those things. I can see where the excitement came from that. TeriAnn : But that was really the tipping
point of people no longer having to have this interaction with people. But really just kind of live behind their keyboard. Now, it’s gaming disorder as far as the DSM goes,
but we have to look at the digital addiction. Because now it really is more prevalent to
be addicted to your phone than even gaming. It’s not a gaming thing anymore. It’s a technology thing. Jonathan H.: I love video games growing up. I mean, I grew up with the Atari and then
went to ColecoVision, then Nintendo, then Super Nintendo then Sega. So I get all of that. I remember when it started getting big online. I used to be very big when I was 18, 19, 20
into the first person shooters. Right? I know at that time there was the MMOs that
were on there. They’re massive multiplayer online games. Jonathan H.: It was, I mean, that’s where
everything kind of started. I remember I could sit down for three, four,
or five hours and play straight. Now, the difference was is… This was back when, if there was a cell phone,
it’s a little old Nokia that barely had snake on it. So if I left the house, if I had to go do
stuff, I wasn’t fully connected all the time. TeriAnn : Sure. Jonathan H.: But we are now, right? So now we can put… It’s almost like we live in that fantasy land
through social media, through different games that we’re playing online anyway, all of that. It’s just, when does it stop? It doesn’t have to stop. That’s the interesting thing, because we have
our phones all the time. We have battery backups now with our phones. I mean, heck, we’re connected now to our watches. So even if our phone is in the other room,
we still can see the messages come through on our watches- TeriAnn : Notifications. Jonathan H.: … and notifications. TeriAnn : Oh, yeah. Jonathan H.: So the truth is you’re connected 24/7. Before when it was gaming, you were limited
to only having to be at home or by that console. Now, it’s everywhere, so the only way to fix
it is to be, like you said earlier, intentional. You’ve got to be intentional. You have to start setting guidelines around,
when am I on my phone? What am I not on my phone? What times do I start in the morning? What times do I stop in the evening? What breaks do I take throughout the day? Jonathan H.: We have to be vigilant about
this the same way that we are when it comes to eating junk food. The same way… Now, junk food is everywhere. You can eat and pick out on a crap all day
long, every day, and we have to set those limits and those boundaries for ourselves
to make sure that we stay in a healthy state and it’s time to do that with our phone. TeriAnn : Sure. I agree 100%. I want to share some interesting statistics
and we’ll talk a little bit about them. But as adolescents, 12 to 17 years and emerging
adults, 18 to 29 of years, access to the internet more than any other age groups and undertake
a higher risk of overuse of the internet. The problem of internet addiction disorder
is most relevant to young people. TeriAnn : I’m going to speak to this really quickly. I am the most unpopular mom in the entire
world because my daughter, who is 9 going on 10 does not have a cell phone. I would say 90% of her friends have cell phones
and I constantly get the question, when I’m I getting my iPhone? When I’m I getting my iPhone? When I’m I getting my iPhone? I constantly tell her when you’re old enough
to have a job and pay for it and you can have a cellphone. TeriAnn : But we do have iPads in our house. We do have computers. We have very limited time and we have very
strict rules and parameters around them. I tell my daughters constantly, I can see
everything you do and I will check everything that you do. It’s not an effort to try and control every
moment of their life, but more than an effort to understand where they’re at, what they’re
doing, what they’re spending their time doing. TeriAnn : Because their little minds don’t
know consequences. They don’t know boundaries. They don’t know what’s safe and not safe. I’ve had some pushback from other parents
because I’ve posted my very unpopular opinion that my child will not have a cellphone. TeriAnn : People are constantly trying to
say like, “How do they FaceTime and talk to their friends and communicate with you?” I’m like, “Well, when she goes to play at
a friend’s house, I text the parent or when she goes to play down the street, I walked
down the street and pick her up.” TeriAnn : I mean, I just don’t see a need
as a nine year old to be constantly stimulated on a device where she can get into trouble. And in fact, I’m starting to hear things about
some of her friends getting in trouble using their cellphones. These are not issues that a nine year old
knows how to handle properly. They do not have the social skills or the
understanding to know that these consequences severely impact them. TeriAnn : Yes, we talk about digital use. Yes, we talk about technology use. Why is important that it’s used for good and
that it’s used for bad. We have these conversations. But they’re not fully developed cognitively
and they’re going to say and do things that can land them in a place where they don’t
realize the impact of what they’ve just done. TeriAnn : So I am definitely the unpopular
mom and I’m going to stand my ground. Every child, it seems has phones now, but
I want my kids to have a childhood. I want them to grow up using their imagination,
not a phone to imagine their world. Jonathan H.: Hopefully more people that listen
to this take action and brace yourselves, but take the phones away from your kids. It needs to happen. We talk about the human interaction and not
having that, right? We’re adults and we still can send text messages,
we can hide behind our phone. We say things a little bit more boldly than
we probably would in person because we’re not face to face. Right? Jonathan H.: Now you’re talking about a nine
year old girl. And a 40-year-old, 50-year-old, 60-year-old
men and women can’t comprehend necessarily the impact that they’re having
by hiding behind their phones. You’re expecting the nine year old
to be able to do it. It’s absurd. So you got to take the phone away because
your child has to learn how to interact with other humans. They have to learn what is offensive. Jonathan H.: They have to learn what is nice,
and what is not, and what is mean, what can you say, and what can’t you say? Listen, I’m the youngest of six and I have
two older brothers and sometimes you popped off at the mouth and you got popped back and
that’s how you learned. If I was hiding behind the phone, at six,
seven, eight years old, I would have said some wild stuff. TeriAnn : I wouldn’t have interacted with
my family. I would’ve been like,
“I’m, just gonna’ play on my phone here.” No, it’s crazy. The respect thing too. My daughter came home from school yesterday
and she said, “Mommy, so-and-so got in trouble at school because she got a call on FaceTime
on her phone and she answered it in class.” I was like, “What! This is why you don’t have a phone.” TeriAnn : We go to concerts and to movies
now and people constantly have their phones on and it’s we say at the beginning of shows
and entertainment, turn your phone off. People still don’t turn their phone off. We really have lost a lot of boundaries and
respect with technology as well. We can’t just sit and be and enjoy the moment. So anyway, I digress from that conversation. I know it’s [crosstalk 00:17:10]. Jonathan H.: Well, let’s not digress. Let’s, jump back because I want to talk a
little bit more about the kids because this is such a big deal, right? TeriAnn : Sure. Jonathan H.: Mine are two and about to be five. I don’t have the struggle of,
“Hey, my friends have phones.” But I do have the struggle of this screen
and of iPads and wanting to play games and things like that. I want to talk about this because it matters
that we’re overstimulating our kids as well, right? I mean, how could we ever expect them to enjoy
a walk through nature, right? Jonathan H.: Where the leaves just blow alittle bit. Where a bird flies by. A little bug or butterfly flies by. When they can watch television or they can
play on an iPad and it’s flashing and blinking. I can jump over here and I can do this and
it’s making this crazy sound and that crazy sound. “Oh look, I just won 500 coins for doing this
and now I bought this digital whatever.” Right? Whatever the reward is. Jonathan H.: How can we ever expect them to
sit outside and enjoy nature, right? We know that that’s one of the things that’s
going to help us heal from our digital addiction is get outside and enjoy nature. So I just want to talk about it. I mean, because there’s the one side of it,
which some of the older kids where they are losing that human interaction and they’re
not having those boundaries. But across the board we’re overstimulated. Right? Jonathan H.: We’ve talked about before, having
that time to decompress, having that time to just sit. I mean, and it’s challenging sometimes. I go and sit outside and I have to consciously
think, don’t pick up your phone. Don’t look at your phone. Let’s just enjoy this lake that we’re looking at. Jonathan H.: I just want to bring that full
circle for all the kids. I mean, we go out to dinner and you see all
the kids with the iPhones and the iPads and I understand it’s easier, right? It’s easier to throw that in front of them,
but consider what you’re doing to their little minds and consider that you’re setting standards
that nature and life can’t keep up with. TeriAnn : For sure. It’s not just a kid thing, it’s an adult thing too. One of the things, I’ll just say this really
quickly just to tip or trick. One of the things I tried to do frequently
with my kids and we’re not perfect at it, but we’ll take card games to dinner or to
brunch or to whatever and instead of sitting down and like, “Can I find your phone mommy?” TeriAnn : I actually have a rule, my kids
have one game on my phone and it’s if I’m in a meeting and I know I’m going to be there
for an hour, I let them play, because I know they can’t go outside because I can’t see them. I have to keep them where I can keep track of them. I haven’t brought anything else today. I forgot to bring something else. TeriAnn : This literally happened once in
a blue moon. I have one game, but for the most part they’ll
come to me and say, “Can I watch YouTube on your phone?” Absolutely not. They are not allowed to play on my phone. They don’t have games. All these games on my phone, they don’t have
all these things on my phone. They are not allowed to play on my phone. TeriAnn : The other thing too is back to taking
things with you. Card games, coloring books, toys they can
play with at the table. But people don’t think about this anymore. You can take that stuff to a restaurant or
to an appointment or to a meeting and stimulate your kids in that way and it creates this
connection. So there’s so many things we can replace it with. TeriAnn : So you spoke about just not being
connected, not being in tune. We should be spending more time with people,
more time in nature, but we’re addicted. This is an actual addiction. This is something we’ve got to title as an
addiction and almost all of us are addicted. So some of the stats Bank My has
pulled around smartphone usage, specifically. The average smartphone user checks their device
63 times a day. 86% of smartphone users will use their devices
while speaking with friends and family on the phone speaker. TeriAnn : Here I am scrolling. I’ve been guilty of that. I will say 58% of users attempted to limit
their usage in the past and only 41% felt they were successful. 87% of users check their phone within one
hour of waking or going to sleep. I’m sure there’s a lot of people. It’s like, wake up. Look at the phone. 69% of users check their phone within five
minutes of waking in the morning. TeriAnn : So 87% in one hour, 69% in five minutes. So in general, we’re all spending way too
much time on our phones. Another statistic, the average time for people
on their phones in the US is four hours a day. This is including tablets. As these devices become more integrated into
our personal and digital lives, this increase in time is a depiction of both our culture
and a technology shift. Another stat, the average user in Brazil spends
over five hours a day on their device. Five hours a day. Think about that. TeriAnn : It’s funny because we constantly
talk about being too busy, not having enough time in our day, not having enough time to
get our things done. This truly is an addiction. When you think about it in that context, what
is addiction? This is something we can’t go without. We can’t live without. We constantly have to have. It fills a need in our brain, not only emotionally
and mentally, but physically that we can’t go without for long periods of time. TeriAnn : We have to get that back to feel
good, to get that high, to have those endorphins. It’s tied to that behavioral addiction. So it’s not really surprising to me that four
and five hours a day are the usage that we’re seeing from people on their phones. But one thing I want to talk about today is
how is that usage impacting us behaviorally, emotionally, physically, because just like
any other addiction, whether it be drugs, food, gambling, sex, it doesn’t matter. TeriAnn : We have significant impact from addiction. We don’t talk about this particular addiction,
like an addiction. Well, we all just use our phones. Well, we’re on our phones a lot. Yeah, we use our phones a lot. Yeah, we’re on our phones a lot. No, we are addicted to our phones that has
a lasting impact, long term effects, and it has impact on our long term health. TeriAnn : I think it’s such an important conversation
and especially when we look at the stats that cell phone usage is starting younger, and
younger, and younger, and younger. What do we need to be aware of as far as how
this is impacting us from a health perspective? We’re going to talk a little bit about that. Jonathan H.: Well, there’s so much that you
touched on. I’m trying to figure out where to go, right? I mean, one is, it’s absolutely an addiction
and we have to look at it that way. Quite frankly, we’re all addicted, right? The first thing is you just got to admit it. Admit that you’re addicted to your phone. So, at whatever level, right? You may not be a five hour a day level. TeriAnn : You can put a name on it because
there’s actually a name for smart phone addiction. It’s Nomophobia. So, we’re all Nomophobs just in case
you wanted to know. Jonathan H.: I mean, the health impact is
big, and this is aside from even the EMFs and the radiation and we could do a whole
another episode about that. But I’m just talking about the mental health
that comes into this and how is this affecting our society? How is this affecting our characters, right? How is this affecting the way that we interact? Jonathan H.: I mean, you talked about, and
I don’t remember what the statistic was exactly, but when we’re talking to friends that we
end up interacting on our phones. I mean when’s the last time you were with
somebody in person and it might’ve even been a friend you haven’t seen for a while and
you get a text message and you pull up that phone and you read a text message while you’re
there with your friend. Jonathan H.: What do we teach our kids? When two grownups are having a conversation,
they come in and they say, “Mom, mom, mom, dad, dad, dad.” Hey you say, “Excuse me, wait your turn. I’m having a conversation.” But we as adults, we respond to that text
message ding or that vibration in our pocket and we ignore that person that we’re with
and you know the signal that we’re telling that person that we’re with, you’re not as
important as my phone and what’s going on my phone. TeriAnn : Sure. Jonathan H.: Then you just look at that text
message and then you say like, “I’ve got a notification on Facebook. Let me see what’s going on Facebook.” Now you’re telling this person that you’re
with it that all these other people’s lives are more important than they’re like,
“I’m just-just going on a rant, but yes. TeriAnn : But think about what you just said. What happens with what we would call
traditional addictions. We don’t necessarily look at phone usage as addiction. But you’re talking about the same patterns
and behaviors as people who are addicted to drugs, sex, gambling, pornography. Nothing more important than that addiction. Jonathan H.: Exactly. TeriAnn : You’ll lie. You’ll put people second. You won’t have relationships with real people
because you have a relationship with that addiction. I think you just need to think about that
for a minute. Really internalize that and that takes us
to our next point. I want to talk about how this is affecting us. Addiction is not just the addiction and not
being able to live and focus in your present life because you’re focused on that addiction. TeriAnn : But how is it impacting us from
a health perspective? So there are research and studies that have
been done that look at phone usage dependence and how it can impact both physical
and mental health. Some of the things they’re talking about now
are anxiety, stress, narcissism, depression and loneliness, attention deficit disorder
and sleep deprivation. Think about all these things I just talked about. TeriAnn : All of these things when we’ve talked
about health in the past are significant factors in shortening our lifespan, in shortening
our health throughout our lifespan, and our quality of health, and how much happiness
we have in our lives and how we regulate our emotions, our mood. Stress and anxiety are some of the biggest
factors that can age us more quickly when it comes for a long term health, depression,
and loneliness. TeriAnn : It’s funny that to me, that depression
and loneliness is one of the impacts on our health because here we think we’re connecting
to people, here we think we have all these people who love us, and care about us or tell
us how it is, or teach us things. Technology is a powerful tool. But research is showing that we’re getting
more depressed and more lonely, being more addicted to our phones. So that speaks volumes about the kind of connection
we’re getting from our phone versus having connection with real people. Jonathan H.: I mean it’s pseudo companionship, right? I have 500 friends on Facebook. All of a sudden you feel popular and I made a post
and I got 25 likes and look how important I am. But yet you’re sitting at home on a Saturday
night on your phone, right? You don’t have anybody to spend that time
with or you feel lonelier and more disconnected than ever. I’ve got teased a lot because on Facebook
I have like 35 friends and people are like, “Why don’t you have more friends than that?” Jonathan H.: Well, my answer is always, if
you won’t help me move, then we’re not friends. Right? We’re not friends on Facebook. That’s my own personal thing, because I don’t
want it to get in the way of reminding myself that I want to have a personal connection
with people. Even if I’m on social media, the people I
want to be connected to are people that I care about and I’m truly friends with, right? Jonathan H.: So we have these 600 friends,
we have these people that we may have never met and now we’re trying to impress them or
we’re trying to impress all these other people. I may end up down another rabbit hole, so
I’ll stop myself. But the point is, I mean the depression, the
loneliness is at an all time high. TeriAnn : Absolutely. Jonathan H.: Because we don’t have that person
to person interaction and we’re not giving ourselves that time to decompress. We’re not going and walking in nature. Right? Go tell somebody to go for a walk. What are they going to grab their phone and
on their phone, they’re going to go through social media, going to walk. I want them to walk again. TeriAnn : I’m so guilty of this, I may take
pictures and videos if I go to a walk and I’ve got to have them on my phone. I’ve got to capture it. One of the most beautiful things that happened
to me, I was at an event just last weekend and I’ve gone through this whole day and I
literally only took a couple pictures. I look at my phone and I’m like, “I don’t have pictures
with any of these people at this event.” I was like, “That’s kind of nice.” TeriAnn : That means I was there. I was in the moment. I was focused and I was like, “I don’t have
any proof that I was with all these people. But I really don’t care because I was there
and it means I was talking, and I was connecting, and I was getting value from these people.” I think we rarely have moments like that anymore
where it’s like, we don’t have 50 million pictures of one event. TeriAnn : It’s like we have 50 million pictures
of every event because we got to take pictures on our phone. We’re taking pictures of the thing we’re looking at. But we’re not looking at the thing we’re taking
a picture of. There’s a filter on my phone. I didn’t think about that for a minute. It’s wild. I’m totally guilty of it. But it is true, we’re looking at this beautiful
waterfall, but we’re looking at it through our phone because we’re getting the picture. Jonathan H.: It blows my mind, you see parents
at kids’ events. My daughter’s in gymnastics and they’re holding
up a phone, filming their daughter doing the balance beam and they’re watching the fricking
phone and their daughter on the phone and the daughter’s there in real life. She’d beyond the phone. If you just put the phone down, you can actually
watch your daughter on the balance beam, not watch her through your phone. I understand people want to document everything
and do all that, but it’s absurd. Jonathan H.: How often are you going back
and watching those videos? Are you turning those videos into DVDs that
you’re watching later with your family? Right? How many of these pictures have you taken
other than maybe going back every once in a while scrolling and we’re sharing on social
media, are you really going back? Right? As opposed to let’s just enjoy the moment. Let’s use our brains again. TeriAnn : Sure. Jonathan H.: Let’s consider locking something
into memory. Maybe our brains will be a little bit stronger
rather than depending on our phone to solve all of our problems. TeriAnn : Sure. I want to touch on the sleep deprivation for a minute. So we did an episode on sleep and how critical
it is for our body to heal, to rejuvenate. It helps our mind to take and process information
and store information, critical information. There’s so many benefits. You can go back and check out that podcast
all about sleep. But we know that blue light from our phones
and that stimulation from internet, cell phone usage, iPads, computers makes it much more
difficult for us to go into a deep sleep and fall asleep more easily at night. TeriAnn : There’s a lot of research behind that. So imagine you’re trying to get good sleep. You’re not getting good sleep. You can’t figure out why you’re not getting
good sleep. Oh, it probably have a lot to do with what
you’re doing before you go to bed and your sleep hygiene, if you will. TeriAnn : We know that that simulation from
technology makes it much harder to go to sleep and to get good deep sleep. So when we talk about long term impact on
our health, sleep is so underestimated when it comes to our health and why we’re not healthy. Getting seven to eight hours of sleep as adult
and think about kids. Okay. We have a huge issue with health in our country
here in America and then across the world with kids being unhealthier than ever before. TeriAnn : I am a big believer in kids getting
enough sleep. There’s research to prove why kids need sleep. We can go and talk all about that, but a lot
of kids aren’t getting enough sleep. I think another issue we face is not just
adults using technology, but we’re letting our kids use technology before bed as well. Again, you cannot underestimate the power
of sleep on your journey to health and being healthy. TeriAnn : This overstimulation of technology. This addiction to technology, not only is it helping
us to feel more depressed, more lonely, more stress, but losing good sleep,
you can’t get it back. You cannot get back the loss of sleep. You can only try and improve your sleep from
this point moving forward. Once the damage is done from lack of sleep. It’s done. So I really wanted to touch on that point
when it comes to cell phone usage and how much it impacts us having good sleep hygiene
and being able to get restful sleep. Jonathan H.: I mean our culture is so go, go, go. Right? Especially, a lot of social media influencers
that talk about hustling and you got to hustle and keep going. I survive on four hours of sleep and five
hours of sleep. Like that’s a badge of honor. We really are learning more and more that it is not. It is detrimental to your health to not get
enough sleep. So, yeah, I mean the blue light has a huge
impact on being able to calm your brain down and being able to fall asleep. Jonathan H.: The other thing too is, is the
anxiety that comes into play from being on your phone. How many times have you late at night and
maybe you’ve got a text message from a friend or you saw a social media post, somebody commented
on your thing and now it’s kept you up at night because you’re not sure what did they
mean by it? Did they mean this? Did they mean that? TeriAnn : Internal wrangling. Jonathan H.: That’s a challenge too with the
digital connection, especially with texting, is now you have no context. I couldn’t see your eyes when you said this. I couldn’t hear the tone in your voice. I couldn’t hear all of these different things
that give me cues to know are you being nice? Are you being mean? Are you being threatening? Are you being loving? All of these things. Jonathan H.: I mean, I don’t know the exact
numbers, but something like 70% of communication is nonverbal. So when I’m sitting here talking to you, I
can see your body language, I can see your facial expressions, I can see all of these things. The words coming out of your mouth, that’s
only 30% of what you’re communicating to. When we text them, when we read comments,
we’re only getting that 30%. We’re left to try to decipher what the other
70% is and left to our own devices. Jonathan H.: I hate to say it, but we typically
go down the negative route, right? We typically think about the worst case scenario. Or maybe they meant this or maybe they meant that. So that anxiety that comes into it is affecting
our sleep and affecting us in so many ways. So, I just want people to really understand
that difference. It’s one of the things, even inside of our
business, we use a software on the phone called Voxer. Jonathan H.: So you’re at least leaving verbal
messages, because too many emails, too many text messages get taken out of context and
that’s just business. Imagine all in your personal life, how many
texts you’ve taken out of context. I mean comments you’ve read out of context. TeriAnn : And this worsening anxiety it brings. Jonathan H.: Exactly. TeriAnn : Sure. Jonathan H.: The stress that it brings to you. TeriAnn : I want to touch on one last thing
to close out this episode today. I talked earlier about how we’re using our phones for
five plus hours a day and we constantly have… Going back to stress and anxiety, not enough
time in a day, not enough time to get things done. I can’t get that project finished. I have big plans, but I ran out of time. Time, time, time. Imagine getting 25 to 30 hours of your life back. TeriAnn : That’s almost a full work week that
we’re using on our phones. A full work week that is going to our phones
five hours a day. Imagine how much you could improve your body
with one of those hours. Imagine taking one hour to send messages of
love to people and to tell people that you care about them or sending them a video message
so they can see your face. TeriAnn : Imagine using one of those hours
to build a project that you’ve had a passion to build for so long. You do that one hour every day. Imagine losing that one hour a day to meal
prep, healthier meals for your body. We’re talking about five hours a day. One of the things I love to coach people on
and teach people on is better time management. I get that question all the time. TeriAnn : How do you have time to do this,
this, this, this and this? It’s being intentional and one of those things
we can be more intentional with is our usage of our time on our phones. We’re actually going to stop here today because
next week we’re going to come back to you and give you some tips and tricks and ideas
to take this time back in your life, to reconnect with people, to reconnect with yourself and
your body. TeriAnn : This phone usage. This technology usage is impacting us so significantly. When we talk about time management, using
our resources, building and creating the life that we want. Being intentional with our life, which is
something I’m a huge proponent of and something I practice in my own life. We cut a lot of our phone usage, our technology
usage out of our life. We get so much back in our lives, years on
our lives and time that is just wasting away. So we’re going to talk about that a little
bit more next week. Jonathan H.: Absolutely. Yeah. I just drew a blank because I had something
I was going to say on that point and then it just went away from me. So what I’m going to say is, let’s leave the
episode there. What I would say is, is check your phone. You can see how much you are using
your phone right now. It’s on all your iPhone. I don’t know the exact navigation that gets
you there, but it’s in your settings. Jonathan H.: Look at it and make a commitment
to yourself to cut it back by maybe just one hour a day, right for the next week. Now, I have suffered from a lot of addiction
from smoking, drinking to other things. I personally feel the best way to cut an addiction
is cold Turkey. I think just saying that to some people, we’ll
give them the sweats. Jonathan H.: Thinking about cold Turkey, their
phones and not being that committed. I will say cold Turkey for your kids is probably
a great solution. But for you consider backing it off an hour
a day over the next month and it really can be easily done by just being intentional. Waking up, looking at your phone and choosing
to leave the phone on the nightstand and not look at it and just go get ready. Go take your shower, go shave, brush your
teeth, do your morning routine without looking at your phone in between every one of those actions. Jonathan H.: Go make breakfast, but leave
the phone in the other room. These little decisions where you don’t need
to be looking at your phone from the bedroom to the kitchen, right? You don’t need to be looking at your phone
from the kitchen to the car. You don’t need to be looking at your phone
at the stop light on your way to work. Jonathan H.: All of these conscious choices to
just leave your phone there and not picking it up. It’s going to cut that time back. I honestly believe you will feel the stress
start melting away from your body. The anxiety melting away. You’re going to start sleeping more. What you’re going to find is that you don’t
want your phone more and more. Right? The less I smoke, the less I drank, the less
I wanted those things. Jonathan H.: That’s a place that I think is
a really healthy place to be using your phone for when you need to make a phone call, when
you want to check in. I mean, I’m not saying to cut it out completely,
but let’s consciously dial it back. So with that said, we’re going to give you
a bunch of tips on how to do that on next week’s episode. I thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you TeriAnn. Jonathan H.: If you guys are looking for the
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  1. Thank you for presenting this! It truly helped me look @ reality of how much time I waste on being "sucked into" Tech addiction. While I may not obsess as much as the examples you gave, I still give too much of my day to "tech stuff"

  2. I thank you for this incredibly important reminder.
    This morning I chopped firewood in the cool, brisk, rain washed air, brought it in doors and thought to myself, I need more of that oxygen rich air. Why am I going to stay inside and heat up my house when this air outside is so much more healing than warm air. With this thought, I opened the windows and doors and went down to the Rio Claro here in Pucon Chile and began tending to my garden. What a wonderful healing morning this has been. Now, after listening to this presentation, I am going to leave my phone once again in the house and go back down to the river and do just what you recommended. I will reconnect to my physical, emotional and spiritual needs. I will breath in deeply the cool fresh air, listen to the peaceful flow of the river in harmony with the songbirds communicating and as I dig my fingernails will fill with soil organisms and minerals that I will lightly inhale and ingest when I eat my pear with unwashed hands.
    I thank you again for this important message.

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