The deadly genius of drug cartels | Rodrigo Canales

The deadly genius of drug cartels | Rodrigo Canales


In December of 2010, the city of Apatzingán in the coastal state of Michoacán, in Mexico, awoke to gunfire. For two straight days, the city became an open battlefield between the federal forces and a well-organized group, presumably from the local criminal organization, La Familia Michoacana, or the Michoacán family. The citizens didn’t only experience incessant gunfire but also explosions and burning trucks used as barricades across the city, so truly like a battlefield. After these two days, and during a particularly intense encounter, it was presumed that the leader of La Familia Michoacana, Nazario Moreno, was killed. In response to this terrifying violence, the mayor of Apatzingán decided to call the citizens to a march for peace. The idea was to ask for a softer approach to criminal activity in the state. And so, the day of the scheduled procession, thousands of people showed up. As the mayor was preparing to deliver the speech starting the march, his team noticed that, while half of the participants were appropriately dressed in white, and bearing banners asking for peace, the other half was actually marching in support of the criminal organization and its now-presumed-defunct leader. Shocked, the mayor decided to step aside rather than participate or lead a procession that was ostensibly in support of organized crime. And so his team stepped aside. The two marches joined together, and they continued their path towards the state capital. This story of horrific violence followed by a fumbled approach by federal and local authorities as they tried to engage civil society, who has been very well engaged by a criminal organization, is a perfect metaphor for what’s happening in Mexico today, where we see that our current understanding of drug violence and what leads to it is probably at the very least incomplete. If you decided to spend 30 minutes trying to figure out what’s going on with drug violence in Mexico by, say, just researching online, the first thing you would find out is that while the laws state that all Mexican citizens are equal, there are some that are more and there are some that are much less equal than others, because you will quickly find out that in the past six years anywhere between 60 and 100,000 people have lost their lives in drug-related violence. To put these numbers in perspective, this is eight times larger than the number of casualties in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined. It’s also shockingly close to the number of people who have died in the Syrian civil war, which is an active civil war. This is happening just south of the border. Now as you’re reading, however, you will be maybe surprised that you will quickly become numb to the numbers of deaths, because you will see that these are sort of abstract numbers of faceless, nameless dead people. Implicitly or explicitly, there is a narrative that all the people who are dying were somehow involved in the drug trade, and we infer this because they were either tortured or executed in a professional manner, or, most likely, both. And so clearly they were criminals because of the way they died. And so the narrative is that somehow these people got what they were deserved. They were part of the bad guys. And that creates some form of comfort for a lot of people. However, while it’s easier to think of us, the citizens, the police, the army, as the good guys, and them, the narcos, the carteles, as the bad guys, if you think about it, the latter are only providing a service to the former. Whether we like it or not, the U.S. is the largest market for illegal substances in the world, accounting for more than half of global demand. It shares thousands of miles of border with Mexico that is its only route of access from the South, and so, as the former dictator of Mexico, Porfirio Diaz, used to say, “Poor Mexico, so far from God and so close to the United States.” The U.N. estimates that there are 55 million users of illegal drugs in the United States. Using very, very conservative assumptions, this yields a yearly drug market on the retail side of anywhere between 30 and 150 billion dollars. If we assume that the narcos only have access to the wholesale part, which we know is false, that still leaves you with yearly revenues of anywhere between 15 billion and 60 billion dollars. To put these numbers in perspective, Microsoft has yearly revenues of 60 billion dollars. And it so happens that this is a product that, because of its nature, a business model to address this market requires you to guarantee to your producers that their product will be reliably placed in the markets where it is consumed. And the only way to do this, because it’s illegal, is to have absolute control of the geographic corridors that are used to transport drugs. Hence the violence. If you look at a map of cartel influence and violence, you will see that it almost perfectly aligns with the most efficient routes of transportation from the south to the north. The only thing that the cartels are doing is that they’re trying to protect their business. It’s not only a multi-billion dollar market, but it’s also a complex one. For example, the coca plant is a fragile plant that can only grow in certain latitudes, and so it means that a business model to address this market requires you to have decentralized, international production, that by the way needs to have good quality control, because people need a good high that is not going to kill them and that is going to be delivered to them when they need it. And so that means they need to secure production and quality control in the south, and you need to ensure that you have efficient and effective distribution channels in the markets where these drugs are consumed. I urge you, but only a little bit, because I don’t want to get you in trouble, to just ask around and see how difficult it would be to get whatever drug you want, wherever you want it, whenever you want it, anywhere in the U.S., and some of you may be surprised to know that there are many dealers that offer a service where if you send them a text message, they guarantee delivery of the drug in 30 minutes or less. Think about this for a second. Think about the complexity of the distribution network that I just described. It’s very difficult to reconcile this with the image of faceless, ignorant goons that are just shooting each other, very difficult to reconcile. Now, as a business professor, and as any business professor would tell you, an effective organization requires an integrated strategy that includes a good organizational structure, good incentives, a solid identity and good brand management. This leads me to the second thing that you would learn in your 30-minute exploration of drug violence in Mexico. Because you would quickly realize, and maybe be confused by the fact, that there are three organizations that are constantly named in the articles. You will hear about Los Zetas, the Knights Templar, which is the new brand for the Familia Michoacana that I spoke about at the beginning, and the Sinaloa Federation. You will read that Los Zetas is this assortment of sociopaths that terrify the cities that they enter and they silence the press, and this is somewhat true, or mostly true. But this is the result of a very careful branding and business strategy. You see, Los Zetas is not just this random assortment of individuals, but was actually created by another criminal organization, the Gulf Cartel, that used to control the eastern corridor of Mexico. When that corridor became contested, they decided that they wanted to recruit a professional enforcement arm. So they recruited Los Zetas: an entire unit of elite paratroopers from the Mexican Army. They were incredibly effective as enforcers for the Gulf Cartel, so much so that at some point, they decided to just take over the operations, which is why I ask you to never keep tigers as pets, because they grow up. Because the Zetas organization was founded in treason, they lost some of the linkages to the production and distribution in the most profitable markets like cocaine, but what they did have, and this is again based on their military origin, was a perfectly structured chain of command with a very clear hierarchy and a very clear promotion path that allowed them to supervise and operate across many, many markets very effectively, which is the essence of what a chain of command seeks to do. And so because they didn’t have access to the more profitable drug markets, this pushed them and gave them the opportunity to diversify into other forms of crime. That includes kidnapping, prostitution, local drug dealing and human trafficking, including of migrants that go from the south to the U.S. So what they currently run is truly and quite literally a franchise business. They focus most of their recruiting on the army, and they very openly advertise for better salaries, better benefits, better promotion paths, not to mention much better food, than what the army can deliver. The way they operate is that when they arrive in a locality, they let people know that they are there, and they go to the most powerful local gang and they say, “I offer you to be the local representative of the Zeta brand.” If they agree — and you don’t want to know what happens if they don’t — they train them and they supervise them on how to run the most efficient criminal operation for that town, in exchange for royalties. This kind of business model obviously depends entirely on having a very effective brand of fear, and so Los Zetas carefully stage acts of violence that are spectacular in nature, especially when they arrive first in a city, but again, that’s just a brand strategy. I’m not saying they’re not violent, but what I am saying is that even though you will read that they are the most violent of all, when you count, when you do the body count, they’re actually all the same. In contrast to them, the Knights Templar that arose in Michoacán emerged in reaction to the incursion of the Zetas into the state of Michoacán. Michoacán is a geographically strategic state because it has one of the largest ports in Mexico, and it has very direct routes to the center of Mexico, which then gives you direct access to the U.S. The Knights Templar realized very quickly that they couldn’t face the Zetas on violence alone, and so they developed a strategy as a social enterprise. They brand themselves as representative of and protecting of the citizens of Michoacán against organized crime. Their brand of social enterprise means that they require a lot of civic engagement, so they invest heavily in providing local services, like dealing with home violence, going after petty criminals, treating addicts, and keeping drugs out of the local markets where they are, and, of course, protecting people from other criminal organizations. Now, they kill a lot of people too, but when they kill them, they provide very careful narratives and descriptions for why they did them, through newspaper insertions, YouTube videos, and billboards that explain that the people who were killed were killed because they represented a threat not to us, as an organization, of course, but to you, as citizens. And so we’re actually here to protect you. They, as social enterprises do, have created a moral and ethical code that they advertise around, and they have very strict recruiting practices. And here you have the types of explanations that they provide for some of their actions. They have actually retained access to the profitable drug trade, but the way they do it is, because they control all of Michoacán, and they control the Port of Lázaro Cárdenas, they leverage that to, for example, trade copper from Michoacán that is legally created and legally extracted with illegal ephedrine from China which is a critical precursor for methamphetamines that they produce, and then they have partnerships with larger organizations like the Sinaloa Federation that place their products in the U.S. Finally, the Sinaloa Federation. When you read about them, you will often read about them with an undertone of reverence and admiration, because they are the most integrated and the largest of all the Mexican organizations, and, many people argue, the world. They started as just sort of a transport organization that specialized in smuggling between the U.S. and the Mexican borders, but now they have grown into a truly integrated multinational that has partnerships in production in the south and partnerships in global distribution across the planet. They have cultivated a brand of professionalism, business acumen and innovation. They have designed new drug products and new drug processes. They have designed narco-tunnels that go across the border, and you can see that these are not “The Shawshank Redemption” types. They have invented narco-submarines and boats that are not detected by radar. They have invented drones to transport drugs, catapults, you name it. One of the leaders of the Sinaloa Federation actually made it to the Forbes list. [#701 Joaquin Guzman Loera] Like any multinational would, they have specialized and focused only in the most profitable part of the business, which is high-margin drugs like cocaine, heroine, methamphetamines. Like any traditional Latin American multinational would, the way they control their operations is through family ties. When they’re entering a new market, they send a family member to supervise it, or, if they’re partnering with a new organization, they create a family tie, either through marriages or other types of ties. Like any other multinational would, they protect their brand by outsourcing the more questionable parts of the business model, like for example, when they have to engage in violence against other criminal organizations, they recruit gangs and other smaller players to do the dirty work for them, and they try to separate their operations and their violence and be very discrete about this. To further strengthen their brand, they actually have professional P.R. firms that shape how the press talks about them. They have professional videographers on staff. They have incredibly productive ties with the security organizations on both sides of the border. And so, differences aside, what these three organizations share is on the one hand, a very clear understanding that institutions cannot be imposed from the top, but rather they are built from the bottom up one interaction at a time. They have created extremely coherent structures that they use to show the inconsistencies in government policies. And so what I want you to remember from this talk are three things. The first one is that drug violence is actually the result of a huge market demand and an institutional setup that forces the servicing of this market to necessitate violence to guarantee delivery routes. The second thing I want you to remember is that these are sophisticated, coherent organizations that are business organizations, and analyzing them and treating them as such is probably a much more useful approach. The third thing I want you to remember is that even though we’re more comfortable with this idea of “them,” a set of bad guys separated from us, we are actually accomplices to them, either through our direct consumption or through our acceptance of the inconsistency between our policies of prohibition and our actual behavior of tolerance or even encouragement of consumption. These organizations service, recruit from, and operate within our communities, so necessarily, they are much more integrated within them than we are comfortable acknowledging. And so to me the question is not whether these dynamics will continue the way they have. We see that the nature of this phenomenon guarantees that they will. The question is whether we are willing to continue our support of a failed strategy based on our stubborn, blissful, voluntary ignorance at the cost of the deaths of thousands of our young. Thank you. (Applause)

100 comments

  1. The war on drugs is a failure. Prohibition only makes the wrong people wealthy, and sucks the money tight out of the tax payer's pocket. Regulation and treatment haven't been given a shot. It's about time. Our prison industrial complex is a sad joke.

  2. What he didn't say is that the guns that the cartels use in Mexico all come from the US. From what I hear now it seems the Sinaloa cartel won the war, and they were helped by the government of Mexico. And Calderon, who presided over the carnage in Juarez, now teaches in Harvard. Go figure. 

  3. Arno my friend… with trillion dollar annual revenue potential there is no problem in Mexico but right here in USA. . . Our. Gov is not broke it is FIXED!

  4. Arno my friend… with trillion dollar annual revenue potential there is no problem in Mexico but right here in USA. . . Our. Gov is not broke it is FIXED!

  5. hsbc,wacovia, and wells fargo all launder mexican drug cartel money, warren buffet is the largest shareholder of wells fargo

  6. Excellent Ted Talk.  Isn't it interesting what we can learn if we listen to how it actually is rather than our propagandists dictates on what is desirable for us to believe. 

  7. Legalize it all! Not just weed, but heroin cocaine, ect.
    In my 40 years i have never even touched alcohol or tobacco, so this is not the opinion of some stoner. Why would I want billions of tax money spend to protect some looser junkie from himself? If they want to shoot up, let them. Sell the stuff in pharmacies and use the revenue from the sales tax for treatment & prevention programs. Then Mexico can be a country again and the militarization of law enforcement that undermines the american republic can be reversed.

  8. T_T its so sad that such violence grows from a desperate attempt to evade problems and the try to reach happiness in the wrong way. (drugs)

  9. "There are many dealers that offer a service where if you send them a text message they guarantee a delivery of the drug in 30 minutes or less." They may say they guarantee a delivery in 30 minutes or less, but if you're getting it from a paisa, whos a runner, and he's delivering it, it's more like 2 hours and they assure you after 30 minutes they're just a block away and will be there in 5 minutes, and 5 minutes when said from a dealer really means like 30 minutes to an hour. Unless you're picking it up from a spot they're already at, you're probably gonna be waiting a while.

  10. COCAINE ROUTE: FARCS(COLOMBIA)- VENEZUELA-CUBA-FLORIDA.

    Notice how the maps shown by this man deliberately avoid focusing on Cuba and southern Florida

    LOL

    bad job. Mr C I A undercover agent aka nutty professor.
    bad job!

  11. But how to change that? I am all for legalizing weed, but can someone ever legalize heroine, cocaine, etc.? We have to face a dilemma, of either confronting dangerous drug use and give criminal gangs power or legalizing it some way or another, decreasing the power of the cartels. Is there any middle ground possible? A soft approach, that decreases the power of the cartels without having too much dangerous consequences of drug consumption i would love, but i don't currently know one.

  12. For the sake of reality-based information for the public, it would be good to know the actual production number, and if possible the consumption too, because when the standard news and official institutions present them it's very hard to believe that so many willing customers exist. If the rate of it is so high it ends up in higher mid and long term numbers of victims. If people are serious about solutions for the consequences of it, a world wide legalization strategy would be better over a local one, and the compromise to respect those that choose not use them, even after a rehab. 

  13. The need for 'jobs' and making a living its a part of the problem, and that is directly related to the economy, since while it creates 'regulatory' associated jobs it eviscerates other needed fields of job creation and social productivity, by money restriction and by harrasment/stigmatization (silent innocent victims), disguised as 'competition' in the current western-advanced society. Something is mighty wrong with the whole thing.

  14. more Mexicans crossing the border means more drugs and your government approves of your demise

  15. Decriminalizing everything would hurt the drug economy much more than this prohibition BS and at the very least shift some of the profits to others. Unemployment may be quite a bit lower if that were to happen. 

  16. Just another interesting addition to the mans speach. The professionalism of the cartels extends to the point of them hiring military experts from many sources including from europe and the us. These Hired men come from quite interesting backgrounds, mainly ex military mercenary types of outfits.

  17. Love how he presents! He leaves nice gaps of time for you to swallow what he's saying–many speakers miss this point! 

  18. The speaker is right in identifying the US market for drugs as the driving force behind the cartels.  some think legalization is the answer, but fortunately, most do not.  It is said by some, with an aire of hopelessness, that th drug users won't stop using, so legalization is all that will work. Without being too longwinded, I just want to point out that there are a few countries in the world that have managed to suppress drug usage, with a combination of stiff penalties and conservative culture.  Singapore is of course the champ – virtually no drug users there.  China has also done well, though there is some, perhaps statistically small use of opium, which is a hangover from the old pre-Mao era – but even pre-Mao, China was tough on drug users.  And then there is India, where one of the main reasons one does not do drugs is to avoid shaming the family, which will slap their son around a lot if it becomes known he has used drugs, say, meth at a rave,  and the son will never hear the end of it and will lose access to the family's money stream, and perhaps papa will take away the motorbike.  Except in Goa, if police hear about a rave, and they often do, they descend upon it and make mass arrests. Then, if you look at the press photos, almost all the ravers in police custody have scarves over their faces, cuz, though the parents will most certainly be informed, the matter will be far worse if the neighbors find out.  So it is not impossible to suppress drug use, however, such will only happen in a conservative culture.  No one needs these drugs, except maybe some very ill people will feel better after getting high on weed, and there is no point in taking drugs "recreationally", and doing so really does define one as a loser, cuz there's plenty to do without drugs, I mean there's a megahuge amount to do.  It's not like USA is boredom central.  So it is important for every sound minded person to put down drug use as often as possible, and to make some extra efforts, such as mentoring teens, and of course vote for Republican or Tea Party candidates.  In recent elections, India has just veered further to the right – but they are not wanting to impose Hindu religion on everyone or anything like that, but do want to maintain the importance of the family and clean living, and further pursuit of education and manufacturing.  Conservative China is now the number 2 economic global power after USA, and will soon likely surpass the USA. India will be coming up faster and faster. Singapore of course is quite on top.  Time will show that conservative cultures win, cuz they have fewer social problems.

  19. There is no Budweiser cartel because their product is legal.  At a minimum, Mexico should legalize the transportation of drugs through their country. 

  20. Excellent talk. The only way to fight these cartels without bloodshed is to diminish the market for their product to such an extent that it is no longer profitable for them to be in the drug business. It is time to look at our own lives and admit that we are the problem because we consume these drugs. Forget about legislation, the law makers and enforcers will never be able to effectively combat the cartels because they are undermined by corruption from within. What is needed is cultural reform, people standing up for themselves and each other, to hold themselves to a higher standard and just saying no to drugs. Everyone who thinks that Marijuana should be legalised, you are the problem. Sure, "legalise it, it's just weed", but once you let one thing slide it quickly becomes a slippery slope and pretty soon everything goes. Legalising is just a cop out, an admittance that you are not strong enough to stand up to this scourge. Most people know someone or knows of someone who uses drugs. Help that person quit, it is your moral responsibility. Think about what you want for your children. Do you want to raise a generation dependent on drugs? It's time to look in the mirror and admit that we are the problem, not the cartels.

  21. my teacher who was in border control told me that he saw people running across the border, called it in and his super told him not to engage by any means.

  22. I'm going to anger both sides of the argument here but this is the only solution to the problem.  There needs total legalization of drugs with a enormous investment on rehab, education and health help for the users.  Basically we need to see drug use as a health issue and we need to attack it as such. The great majority of people who are for legalization are recreational drug users or have been recreational drug users.  This people have no problem with drugs and don't understand how bad they can be for a good number of the population of any country.  The people against it usually have a moral issue against the drugs but don't understand the problem at all and talk from ignorance.  The only people who are really affected and cause all the other problems with this market is the heavy users or addicts.  So a huge I'm taking about 3 to 4 percent of GDP investment on eradicating the addicts would bring the problem down and still respect the rights of the citizens.  Also it would be a much cheaper solution since treating or preventing addiction would also solve problems with legal drugs. Imagine the cost to government and society that is born from addiction.  

  23. Very interesting.  While the violent side of the drug industry is highly talked about in the media, rarely do we see the business side of things.

  24. 2:55 I was sure some Iraqis and Afghans died during those two wars. No? They didn't? OK. I must've misremembered.

  25. I have never used an illegal substance in my life. But to those who do, you must feel some guilt for contributing to the death of innocent people. They die so that you could get high.

  26. The War on Drugs is Global.
    Drug consumption, addiction and abuse is Global.

    Cuba is a failed communist narco State.
    The American media is so corrupt.

  27. All drugs should be legalized, its the only way to stop the problem, literally. These criminal organizations thrive on our consumption and lets be honest with ourselves, its always going to be there. Thru legalization we could supply addicts with the best supply knowing what they're taking and the effects of that drug. Hence, no more needless overdoses. With or without government assistance, that specific person was going to buy that drug anyways, but I'd prefer it being the government over Bob the dealer. Treatment could be provided to those seeking to get over their addiction(s). Otherwise, we can just aimlessly talk about the moral repercussions of doing such an action which by all means to a logical person makes completely no sense. Where ever there's a damand I guarantee you there's almost always going to be a supply.

  28. Good. Now take that economic thinking and apply it to the players in the Middle East. The US, Daesh, Assad, Israel, Putin, Iran and Saudi Arabia. Think branding, think oil, think money, think power – think business.

  29. ted talks you can talk about any idea but not that the world is being raped by the banksters .i can't believe that the so called smart people (sheeple ) don't get that .so then they must be avoiding it or they are told not to bring it up ?

  30. I can't wait for the 40 and under to take control of congress, and that will be the end of that all of it will be legalized. Its starting, old people and their bad ideas are being slowly faded out.

  31. The history and analysis of the cartels in Mexico is excellent.
    The conclusion is vague and muddled. We do not know what policy/s he has a problem with and what his proposed solution is – I found that frustrating. I would have preferred it if he left the ambiguity out altogether.

  32. Hmmm, black market institutions may be built from the bottom up. In the regular economy, I'm pretty sure it's top down all the way. But, yeah, there's very little difference between the two economies in many ways.

  33. Thing is, the US war on drugs is much more than prohibition. Troops have been sent south of the border and Agent Orange sprayed on Colombian plantations to engage cartels and destroy opiates. Honestly, if the same resources were spent making other crops more profitable and stabilizing the countries, we would probably see much more progress.

  34. Brilliant TED talk on drug problem and why the war on drugs has to end from Rodrigo Canales. I am digging his accent, too.

  35. If drug cartels are so fucking smart to invent ways to smuggle drugs and produce drugs in huge quantities

    Why just not legalize all drugs so the price / profit goes down so much that its not lucrative anymore.

    And if they are so smart why you cartels involved in this billion dollar industry dont think of something doing good for the world we live in.

    So put down your sickening drug bussiness and do something more proffessional.

    Like holliday parks.

    Or stop the war in Syria with all your billions.

    Or just enter peace talks.

    I want you drugs people have a chance in our world without being affraid of being caught to do peace talks and money investments in exchange of getting building contracts in war countries to build up the destroyed citties and villages again.

    But only if you leave your drug bussiness for 100%.

    But who am I to think like this.

    first of all drugs need to be legalized all over the world for this to happen.

    Its a very diffucult operation and very futuristic but it can be done.

    You are the world

  36. One problem i see is, the Us and coalition forces casualty's are only one side of that war, and only a part of one side, to make an accurate comparison he would have needed to include the casualty's of the people the us and coalition forces are fighting, along with the casualty's of the police forces from the local population that is fighting on the side of us and coalition forces,

  37. The trouble with legalisation is that it's a blurred line between encouraging the use of harmful substances, and indirectly supporting of these murderers

  38. This guys statistics are totally out of context, he needs re-state that. Thats 4,446 US soldiers dead. The Iraq War 2003-2011 killed over 600,000 people. And Afghanistan has seen constant warfare since 1979, over 2 million dead and Afghanistan has a higher death rate then Mexico. Why? Population capita is different. For every certain amount of people, you are more likely to die in Afghanistan (definitely Iraq) then Mexico.

  39. when a cartel can build a fucking submarine that is undetectable by radar.
    but America government can't fix our roads.
    you know we are fucked.

  40. Why would Govts legalize illegal drugs… Illegal Drugs help with population control, federal and local law enforcement jobs, keeps the Private Prisons full and used as a excuse to take more rights from you… Govts make billions from it..

  41. You can learn way more things about the subject on its wikipedia page. Don't waste your time here. But look at that !! What an attractive woman up on the far right: 02:22 – 06:49 – 14:27.

  42. we should make a drug that would cure our urge to cosume other drugs. one doze of it, and we would never have to buy or be tempted to consume heroin, or meth or anything else.. idk just a thought

  43. This lecture makes me feel much better in supporting my Mexican fueled drug habit. What a bunch of good corporate folks they are!!

  44. The Cartel and the Government are the same – in this description the centralization of wealth is omitted and opportunistic integration with the public sector. I think … I think it is call human rights but I am not sure.

  45. You forgot to mention that the Zetas also extort and charge fees to local business people for protection. I hope these bastards get wiped out off the map.

  46. The drug war is a disaster but the only people you can blame for the violence in Mexico are the people/government of Mexico. Notice that the cartels don't engage in that kind of violence once they are north of the border because US law enforcement and citizenry won't put up with it. Human life is valued here.

  47. Native Americans warned the white man about their abuse of power, especially the coca, and we warned the white man that their kids are going to overdose cocaine and opium over midnight.

  48. VERY good talk! Señor Canales must be an AWESOME teacher and …(forgive me!) – "storyteller"! 🙂 The way he presents the topic is AWESOME! 🙂 🙂
    PS.
    Tiny "remark"! Something tells me that this SORRYASS LOT ALREADY KNOWS QUITE WELL …where&how to get their "stuff"! >: )

  49. love what he said" we are accompliances to them through our consumptions,acceptance of their presence, tolerating their illegal service in our community" about to time to elect a duerte like leader in mexico and another in the USA. "kill all drug pushers" "kill all drug users"…

  50. There are two main groups against ending prohibition, even marijuana prohibition. The cartels and gangs that control the drug trade, and the police security industrial complex. Both of these groups are just opposite sides of the same coin.

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